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To aid modellers we have included some notes on set formations as the LSWR, SR and later BR(S) formed most of their coaches into numbered sets. Over the years, these formations were liable to change particularly in later life, sometimes as frequently as every year or two. Coaches not formed into sets were known as 'Loose' and these were used for strengthening purposes or for making up into ad-hoc sets when the availability of permanently formed sets ran out. It is not practical to give the full history here and additional information may be obtained from the 'Appendices to the Carriage Working Notices' held in the SRG Library or from SRG Data Sheets.
We would recommend "An Illustrated History of Southern Coaches" by our member Mike King (OPC 2003), "Maunsell's SR Steam Carriage Stock" by David Gould (Oakwood 2000) and LSWR Carriages in the 20th Century by Gordon Weddell (OPC 2001), all of which have chapters on the Ironclads. Also recommended are the drawings made by Mike King, to whom application including an SAE should be made, at: 16 Barricane, St Johns Hill Road, Woking, Surrey, GU21 1RB.
Code Description Diag Price SC1 4 Compartment Brake Third LH Corridor 213 £28.00 SC2 4 Compartment Brake Third RH Corridor 135 £28.00 SC3 Corridor Third 24 £26.00 SC4 Corridor First 476 £26.00 SC4A Downgraded alternative, Corr Third 25 £26.00 SC5 Corridor Pantry Third (1921-1927) 23 £26.00 SC6 Corridor Brake Composite 416 £28.00 SC7 6 Compartment Corridor Brake Third 137 £28.00 SC6A Push-Pull Corr Brake Composite (1949) 414 £28.00 SC8 Driving Brake Third (1949) 136 £28.00 (SC6A/8 are BR Conversions of SC6 and SC7) SC9 Corridor Pantry Brake First 542 £28.00 SC10 Kitchen/Dining Car 592 £26.00 SC11 Corridor Composite 284 £26.00 SC12 Corridor Brake First, 1949 Conversion of SC9 542A £28.00 SC13 Corridor Pantry Third (1927-1936) 23 £26.00 SC14 Corridor Third,(SC13 conversion 1936) 23 £26.00 SC15 Cafeteria Car, 1950 BR Conversion of SC10 600 £26.00# # Under development, please enquire before ordering.The 'Ironclad' was an LSWR design, so known because of the use of flush steel sheeting screwed to the wooden body frame. Previous LSW designs had used wooden sheeting and panelling. The first sets of Ironclad carriages appeared in July 1921 and being the most modern design available to the SR in 1923, continued in production until January 1926.
Initially many were formed into five coach sets (with some longer sets for the Central Section) and allocated to the most important services until superseded by Maunsell stock. After 1937, many 'Ironclad' sets were reformed, sometimes with Maunsell stock.
The early formations as renumbered by the SR are given below (see Gould p.11 and Weddell p.165 for the LSWR numbering of the eight sets introduced before the SR numbering system had been decided).
Set Numbers Phoenix Kit numbers(in coach order) 431-434 SC1/SC3/SC4/SC5/SC2 435-444 SC1/SC3/SC4/SC3/SC2The four Pantry Thirds (SC5) had their pantries enlarged c.1927 (SC13) and in 1936 lost them altogether to become all third (SC14). The four Pantry Brake Firsts (SC9) were built for the Southampton Boat trains to run with Firsts (SC4) but not in numbered sets. All the Brake Composites (SC6) and five of the nine 6-Compartment Brake Thirds (SC7) always ran in 2-Sets 381-385, converted to P&P between 1949 and 1952 (SC6A and SC8). The other four 6-Compartment Brake Thirds were for the Central Section long sets 471 and 472. Initially all the composites (SC11) were loose stock except for 6287 in set 471.
With the exception of the Restaurant Cars, most of which were withdrawn in 1947, the Brake ended coaches which were converted to Pull-Push sets and the Brake Pantry First coaches converted to Brake First in 1949, general withdrawal took place in BR days between 1957 and 1959. Many then entered departmental service having received modifications (sometimes extensive) including new underframe truss bars.
We can supply Phoenix bogie kits to suit the Ironclad coaches. Three different bogie types were fitted during the construction period and it is believed that these generally remained with the coaches concerned throughout their lives. Please quote the appropriate reference number when ordering:
SAB3, Warner Double Framed ('Dreadnought') Bogie, fitted 7/21 to 3/23:
Diags 23 and 24 TK, Nos 713-724
Diags 135 and 213 BTK, Nos 3180-3191
Diag 476 FK, Nos 7166-7187
Diag 25 TK (downgraded Diag 476), Nos 7166-7187
Diag 542 and 542A BFK(Pantry), Nos 7711-7714SAB4 and SRB4 Warner Single Framed 9'-0" Bogie, fitted 6/23 to 12/25:
Diag 24 TK, Nos 725-732 and 745-762 and 2341
Diags 135 and 213 BTK, Nos 3192-3199 and 3203-3210
Diag 137 BTK, Nos 4052-4053 and 3211-3213 and 4043-4044
Diag 284 CK, Nos 5133-5136 and 6287
Diag 416 BCK, Nos 6560-6564
Diag 476 FK, Nos 7188-7201 and 7652-7658
Diag 592 Dining Cars, Nos 7850-7857
Diag 25 TK (downgraded Diag 476), Nos 2322/2331/2,2335-2340SAB1 and SRB1, SECR/SR Single Bolster Bogie, fitted 7/25-9/25 and 1/26:
Diag 24 TK, Nos 2346-2348
Diag 137 BTK, Nos 4046-4047
Diag 476 FK, Nos 7202-7205 and 7659-7664
Diag 25 TK (downgraded Diag 476), Nos 2333/4Acknowledgement is due to Chris Knowles-Thomas and John Harvey for information concerning these coaches.
The Ironclad pages were last updated on 9th August, 2008
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