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The 'Phoenix' range of coaching stock kits is continually being extended to other railways/regions apart from the SR (click GWR for GWR kits, LNER for LNER kits or LMS for LMS kits).

To place an order, please contact:

Phoenix Sales Manager, C Knowles-Thomas, 60 Dykes End, Collingham, NEWARK, Notts, NG23 7LD

(e-mail: chriskthomas@waitrose.com)

For further technical details contact:

Phoenix Production Manager, C Knowles-Thomas, 60 Dykes End, Collingham, NEWARK, Notts, NG23 7LD

(tel: 01636-892010; e-mail: chriskthomas@waitrose.com)

These Kits are only available in 4mm Scale.

Photographs of completed kits can be seen by clicking on those Product Codes and Descriptions which appear in underlined coloured script.

Phoenix coach kits are used as a basis for producing exhibition standard models at Pendon museum.

 
 

Each coach body kit contains:
Cast ends, punched sides, floor pan, sole bars and roof in aluminium, vents, buffers, vee hangers, vacuum cylinder, dynamo, non-specific battery boxes, partitioning, glazing, instructions, scale plans, historical data plus other detailing parts as applicable.

Please note that any coach from any set can be purchased separately, as can any component.

Production of Phoenix Kits is labour intensive and with some 350 types in our catalogue, the punched sides for a particular kit may not be available in stock. Replenishment of stock is best carried out on a batch production basis, so therefore please allow at least eight to twelve weeks for your kit to be delivered. In the event that we cannot meet this timescale, we will endeavour to advise you.

LSWR/SR/BR 'Ironclad'

For prices, brief historical notes about the Ironclad coaches and the types of bogie fitted to them, click here

SR/BR 'Thanet' Corridor Coaches (body kits only)

When the SR was formed very little corridor stock was inherited from the SECR, yet there was an urgent need for modern stock on the Eastern Section. At 9'-0" the 'Ironclads' were too wide for some routes in North Kent so Maunsell and Lynes (see later) produced a design that was the same length but reduced in width to 8'-6" (Restriction 1). Like the 'Ironclads' they had British Standard gangways and screw couplings (whereas the subsequent 'Maunsell standard' stock had Pullman gangways and buckeye couplers). The 'Thanets' displayed certain SECR details, perhaps the more noticeable being the 'L' shaped commode handles.

For those requiring more information we would recommend "An Illustrated History of Southern Coaches" by our member Mike King (OPC 2003) and "Maunsell's SR Steam Carriage Stock" by David Gould (Oakwood 2000) both of which have chapters on the 'Thanets'. Also recommended are the drawings made by Mike King, to whom application including an SAE should be made, at: 16 Barricane, St Johns Hill Road, Woking, Surrey, GU21 1RB.

Only three tyoes of 'Thanets' were produced as listed below:

Code Description                  Built    Diag  Price
SC80 Third                        1924-5   53    £24.00
SC81 5 Compartment Brake Third    1924-5   165   £24.00#
SC82 Composite                    1924-5   317   £24.00#

   # Under development, please enquire before ordering.
Please Note : These kits contain ends which are, strictly, of LMS pattern though they are the correct scale width, ie 8'-6". If you prefer to make your own ends we can supply these kits without ends at £22.00 each.

An unlucky group of coaches, out of seventy-seven 'Thanets' built, nine were lost in accidents or through enemy action in WW2. Early set formations were fluid, but by 1928 there were eight sets made up wholly of 'Thanets': 4-sets Nos 388 & 425, 6-set 423, 7-sets 424, 460, 461 & 463 and 8-set 462, plus many loose examples. The 6, 7 & 8-sets (except 463) had, in addition, a first, later composite, Pullman inserted to provide refreshments. These eight sets survived until 1959 but the length and composition varied over the years, and non-'Thanets' appeared in some in the later years. Further details may be found in 'Appendices to the Carriage Working Notices' held in the SRG Library or in SRG Data Sheets. Others were 'loose' and in 1946 some thirds were formed in two car sets 331-3 with SECR Wainwright birdcage corridor brake composites for Ashford-Hastings services.

SR/BR Maunsell

The listing of Maunsell passenger stock is arranged in approximate order of body styles and construction dates.

For prices and brief historical notes about the Maunsell coaches click here.

Please note that £poa indicates a kit that is either not currently in stock or has non-standard features, price available on application.

SR Bulleid Steam Hauled Coaches

For prices and brief historical notes about the Bulleid coaches, click here

SECR/SR/BR

Kits SC70-76 have been withdrawn.

SR/BR Electric Multiple Units

For prices and brief historical notes about Southern Electric Multiple Units etc, click here

Detailing Items for SR Coaches

Ref   Description                                      Price
SR10  Cast oval Bulleid/Maunsell buffers in 
      retracted position                            4  £ 1.25
SR07  Cast oval Portsmouth buffers                  4  £ 1.25 
SR08  Cast buffers, 2-BIL 2001-2116                 4  £ 1.25
SR09  Cast Southern EMU buffers                     4  £ 1.25
SR22  EMU centre buffer and rubbing plate           4  £ 1.00
SR21  SR Guard's periscope                          6  £ 1.00
SR26  Maunsell Double battery boxes, detailed
      castings, lightweight                         2  £ 1.75
SR34  LSWR Ironclad door /window vents             20  £ 1.75
SR57  Ironclad/Maunsell grab handles, etched
                           by Roxey Mouldings      63  £ 2.00
SR33  Maunsell door /window vents                  20  £ 1.75
SR36  'T' Door handles, etched by Roxey Mouldings 120  £ 2.00
SR44  Bulleid Table Lamps                          15  £ 2.00
SR50  Droplight Grilles, etched by Roxey          120  £ 2.00 
SR51  SR Droplight frames (plastic)                20  £ 1.25
SR39  SECR coach grab handles, etched 
                           by Roxey Mouldings      90  £ 2.00

Ready made coach gangways:

SR46  Round Top working corridor connections
                                   for Ironclad, pair  £ 2.50
SR47  Square Top working corridor connections
                           for Maunsell/Bulleid, pair  £ 2.50

End Castings can be supplied at the following prices:

EMU Driving End set of castings (Front, doors, roof dome, 
jumpers, buffers) for PUL/CIT/PAN/BIL/HAL/SUB 1941 etc £ 4.50
EMU Driving End castings (Front, doors,jumpers,
buffers) for COR/RES/BUF                               £ 4.00
EMU Driving End castings (Front, jumpers,buffers)
for SUB 1946/EPB/HAP                                   £ 3.00
Ironclad Brake End (three pieces),             per end £ 2.50
Any other 'one piece' coach End casting
          (Except SECR)                        per end £ 1.50
Any one coach roof from any SR kit, excluding 
                             brass etched kits         £ 3.00
Any one pair of sides from any SR kit, 
 excluding brass etched kits                           £12.00
Any other parts from any kit 
                       (floor, cast parts etc)         £ POA

Undergear Kits for Various EMU Cars

All Kits in White Metal with 
detail drawing for placement of parts.  
For Postage costs see Order Form.
Ref   To Fit                                           Price
UND 1 SR Portsmouth Electric Motor Brake Third         £6.00
UND 2 SR Electric 6PUL/CIT/PAN Motor Brake Third       £6.00
UND 3 4EPB Class 415 Motor Brake 2nd                   £6.50
UND 4 SR 2BIL 1937/39 only & SR 2HAL 1939/40 
      Motor Brake 3rd & Driving Trailer Compo          £7.50
UND 5 SR 2BIL 1935 only, original batch of 10   
      Motor Brake 3rd & Driving Trailer Compo          £5.50
UND 6 SR/BR 4SUB Motor Brake 3rd                       £6.00
UND 7 SR/BR 4LAV Motor Brake 3rd                       £6.00
UND 8 BR/SR SUB Class 416 & 418. 2EPB & 2HAP    
        Motor Brake 2nd & Driving Trailer              £8.00
UND 9 SR Portsmouth/Bognor Buffet Car                  £2.50
UND10 SR Portsmouth Restaurant Car                     £2.50
UND11 SR Portsmouth Kitchen Restaurant 3rd             £2.50
UND12 SR 4LAV Brake Cylinder & Reservoir for     
        Trailer Coaches                                £1.00
UND13 SR 4SUB Brake Cylinder & Reservoir for 
        Trailer Coaches                                £1.00
UND14 SR Portsmouth Electric Brake Cylinder &   
        Reservoir for Trailer Coaches                  £1.00
UND15 SR 4EPB Brake Cylinder & Reservoir for 
        Trailer Coaches                                £1.00
UND16 SR 6PUL Brake Cylinder & Reservoir for 
        Trailer Coaches                                £1.00
UND17 SR 6CIT/6PAN Brake Cylinder & Reservoir for 
        Trailer Coaches                                £1.00
UND18 SR 6PUL/6CIT Composite Pullman                   £2.50
UND19 SR 6PAN Pantry First                             £1.50

SOUTHERN RAILWAY Bogies

Bachmann ready-to-run SR 8'0" standard bogies     pair £3.60
As above plus SRG adaptor kit consisting of cast 
rubbing plates, connectors and 8BA nuts and bolts pair £5.60

NB Bachmann supplies are sporadic & stock cannot be guaranteed

Phoenix SR Bogie Kits (wheels NOT included)

We offer 4 bogie options (not all are available for all prototypes):-

'ADJUSTARIDE' Bogies

Comprising etched brass truck, adjustable sprung bolster, sideframes, end bar, rubbing plate, bearings & hardware and life guards where applicable.

NB wheels are NOT included

SAB1  SR 8'0" Standard steam hauled bogie
        (and intermediate bogies on EMUs)        pair £ 8.50
SAB2  9'0" Dummy motor bogie                     each £ 5.00
SAB3  9'0" LSWR Warner double framed
        (Dreadnought) bogie                      pair £ 9.00
SAB4  9'0" LSWR Warner single frame bogie
        (Vertical suspension)                    pair £ 8.50
SAB5  8'9" Dummy motor bogie                     each £ 5.00
SAB6  8'9" Trailer Collector bogie               each £ 5.00
SAB7  8'0" LBSCR Fox Pressed Steel               pair £ 8.50
SAB8  8'0" LSWR Fox Pressed Steel                pair £ 8.50
SAB9  8'0" Equalised Beam Bogie 6PUL/CIT/5BEL 
           to suit all trailer coaches           pair £ 8.50

'Springless' Bogies

Specification as 'Adjustaride' above (etched truck etc) but excluding the the springing arrangement

NB wheels are NOT included

SXB1  SR 8'0" Standard steam hauled bogie
        (and intermediate bogies on EMUs)        pair £ 6.50
SXB2  9'0" Dummy motor bogie                     each £ 4.00
SXB3  9'0" LSWR Warner double framed
        (Dreadnought) bogie                      pair £ 7.00
SXB4  9'0" LSWR Warner single frame bogie
        (Vertical suspension)                    pair £ 6.50
SXB5  8'9" Dummy motor bogie                     each £ 4.00
SXB6  8'9" Trailer Collector bogie               each £ 4.00
SXB7  8'0" LBSCR Fox Pressed Steel               pair £ 6.50
SXB8  8'0" LSWR Fox Pressed Steel                pair £ 6.50
SXB9  8'0" Equalised Beam Bogie 6PUL/CIT/5BEL 
           to suit all trailer coaches           pair £ 7.50

Cosmetic Bogies

Comprising cosmetic castings only for attaching to the working motor bogie of the modeller's choice or to a CCU unit or any dummy bogie frame that can take a cast side frame. A kit for a pair of bogies contains four sideframes; a single bogie kit contains two sideframes. In addition, motor bogies contain tw shoe beams and lifeguards.

SCB1  SR 8'0" Standard steam hauled bogie
        (and intermediate bogies on EMUs)        pair £ 4.00
SCB2  9'0" Portsmouth motor bogie              single £ 4.00
SCB3  9'0" LSWR Warner double framed
        (Dreadnought) bogie (set comprises  
        4 inner frames and 4 outer frames)       pair £ 5.00
SCB4  9'0" LSWR Warner single frame bogie
        (Vertical suspension)                    pair £ 4.00
SCB5  8'9" Dummy motor bogie                   single £ 4.00
SCB6  8'9" Trailer collector bogie             single £ 4.00
SCB7  8'0" LBSCR Fox Pressed Steel               pair £ 4.00
SCB8  8'0" LSWR Fox Pressed Steel                pair £ 4.00
SCB9  8'0" Equalised Beam Bogie 6PUL/CIT/5BEL 
           to suit all trailer coaches           pair £ 4.00

Rigid Bogies

Comprising all cast whitemetal parts

SRB1  SR 8'0" Standard steam hauled bogie        pair £ 6.00
SRB5  8'9" Dummy motor bogie                     each £ 3.50
SRB6  8'9" Trailer collector bogie               each £ 3.50

Phoenix "Ready-to-Run" Power Bogies and Pick Up Bogies

These motor bogies are based on the 35mm wheelbase TENSHODO "SPUD" and are supplied with cast resin sideframes to suit your model. They bolt onto the model floor with no need to cut a hole in the floor.

SMB2  SR 9'-0" powered motor bogie,               each £TBA
SMB5  SR 8'-9" powered motor bogie,               each £TBA

            

Notes re-prototype use of Phoenix SR bogies

SR Standard 8' bogies (SAB1, SXB1, SRB1 & SPU1) are fitted to Maunsell and Bulleid corridor stock, also the trailer bogies on most EMUs (but see below). A few Ironclads and the 1935-6 Rebuilds of LSWR stock also had these bogies.

9' motor bogies (SAB2, SXB2, SCB2, SMB2, SPU2) were fitted to the outer ends of 4COR/4RES/4BUF motor coaches, and two were fitted to each 6PUL/6CIT/6PAN & 5BEL motor coach.

The 9' LSWR Warner Double Framed ('Dreadnought') Bogie (SAB3) was fitted to the early Ironclad coaches, 7/21 to 3/23.

The LSWR Warner single framed 9' bogie (SAB4, SXB4, SCB4 and SRB4) was fitted to the majority of the Ironclads, 6/23 to 12/25.

The 8' 9" Motor Bogie (SAB5, SXB5, SCB5, SRB5, SMB5) was fitted to the outer ends of suburban and semi-fast motor coaches ie 2BIL, 2HAL, 4SUB, 4LAV, 2EPB, 4EPB, 2HAP.

The 8' 9" Trailer Collector Bogie (SAB6, SXB6, SCB6 and SRB6) was fitted to the outer ends of driving trailers of 2-car EMUs ie 2BIL, 2HAL, 2EPB, 2HAP.

Fox's Pressed Steel Bogies (SAB7, SXB7 and SCB7; SAB8, SXB8, SCB8) were used by many pre-grouping Companies.

The 8'-0" equalised beam bogies (SAB9, SXB9 and SCB9) were fitted to trailer coaches of 6PUL/CIT and 5BEL units. These were rebuilt with leaf springs from 1955-6. At present these modified bogies are not in our range - if anyone has a drawing or a clear photograph - please, please, please....!!

Transfers

The Southern Railways Group provide a range of transfers to enable modellers to finish their carriage stock with selected numbers. Please click here for further details.

SR Modellers

Please note that a range of items such as wheels, seating, ventilators and other components are available for completing and detailing the coach kits listed on this page, in addition to the SR specific items given above.

Go to the general sales page for information

This page was last reviewed on 28th February 2010

 
 

Post & Packing: UK Orders, please add £3-00 P&P. Overseas customers please add £5-00 (but we reserve the right to charge more if this amount should prove insufficient). On small orders, we may make a discretionary refund if the P&P is less than £3-00/£5-00 (UK/Overseas respectively).

Members receive approximately a 10% discount.

Click here to download a sales form which may be printed out, your order filled in, then posted to the group.

 
 


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